Who Secretly Supported Aerys Ii During Robert'S Rebellion?

2025-08-28 02:22:47 144

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Keira
Keira
2025-08-29 06:08:51
I still get chills thinking about how tangled loyalties were during Robert’s Rebellion — it wasn’t a clean split of good guys vs bad guys. If you look at the people who quietly backed Aerys II, the safest, most concrete answer is that his inner circle supported him: the Kingsguard and his small council loyalists held to the crown. Men like Jaime Lannister and Barristan Selmy were sworn to the king, and Varys, as Master of Whisperers, was actively working in Aerys’s interests behind the scenes. Those weren’t secret so much as institutional loyalties, but they’re the backbone of who stuck with him when the realm split.
Beyond that obvious layer there’s a messier, political web. Tywin Lannister’s role gets talked about a lot — he moved his forces toward King’s Landing and negotiated with Aerys, and while he ultimately betrayed the king, his early maneuvers looked like support or at least protection. Other houses with longstanding ties to the Targaryens, and minor bannermen who feared retribution if they switched sides too early, also quietly favored the crown until events forced them to pick a side. I like to revisit these bits when rereading 'A Song of Ice and Fire' because the gray motives — fear, honor, ambition — make the whole rebellion feel messy and real, not a black-and-white tale of heroes and villains.
Tristan
Tristan
2025-08-30 05:27:19
When I talk about the Rebellion with friends I usually point out that ‘secret’ support for Aerys II isn’t a single-name thing you can pull out of a hat. There were explicit loyalists — the Kingsguard and court officials — and then there were those who hedged their bets. Varys is a clear shadow player who operated for the king, keeping networks of informants and nudging events. That kind of backing is clandestine by nature: influence, whispers, emissaries.
On the level of houses, you see a divide where some lords stayed loyal publicly for a long time because switching too early could mean ruin if Rhaegar or Aerys won. Tywin’s conduct is a perfect example of apparent support that turns out to be opportunism; he arrived at the city under the guise of helping Aerys, then negotiated a different outcome. So if you want a short mental map: sworn men and royal servants = obvious backing; political players and opportunists = ambiguous/secretive backing depending on timing and advantage.
Piper
Piper
2025-09-02 06:27:23
I tend to keep things punchy when I explain this to newer fans: there wasn’t a neat little club of secret supporters for Aerys II beyond his sworn household and a handful of loyal courtiers. The Kingsguard — men like Jaime Lannister (who ultimately killed the king) and other sworn knights — plus Varys’s spy network, were the real pillars of his support, even when the realm fractured. Beyond them, many lords lingered on the fence out of fear or calculation; Tywin Lannister is the classic case of someone who seemed to support Aerys but who ultimately acted for his own gain. So, secret support was less a single conspiracy and more a spectrum of loyalty, secrecy, and political maneuvering — which is exactly why the story in 'A Game of Thrones' and the rest of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' feels so alive.
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I've had this debate with friends over beers and rereads: the Mad King’s order to burn King's Landing wasn't a single, simple motive — it was the boiling over of paranoia, pyromania, and political spite. By the time he shouted to burn the city, 'Aerys II' had been unmoored from reality. He’d long associated fire with purification and power, a warped echo of his dynasty’s dragon-blood identity. In his head the realm's problems weren’t to be governed or negotiated with; they were to be incinerated. There’s also the immediate, bitter context. Tywin Lannister's betrayal (riding to King’s Landing while supposedly loyal to the crown) and the whole cascade of rebellion convinced Aerys that treason had already won inside his own walls. Instead of accepting defeat, he plotted a catastrophic revenge: hidden caches of wildfire beneath the city that would turn the capital into a funeral pyre for everyone — enemies and citizens alike. That’s why Jaime had to kill him; it wasn’t just regicide, it was the only way to stop wholesale slaughter. Beyond the plot mechanics, I keep returning to the tragic symbolism. The man born to dragons ended up trying to destroy the very thing dragons once protected: his people and his seat of power. For fans of 'A Song of Ice and Fire' and 'Game of Thrones' the scene crystallizes how absolute fear and unchecked cruelty warp kingship into monstrosity, and why stopping a tyrant sometimes means becoming the villain in other people's stories.

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Which Events Provoked Aerys Ii To Distrust His Own Bannermen?

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The short, messy version is that a string of humiliations and conspiracies slowly rewired his mind. I’ve always been struck by how one clear wound—being taken prisoner at Duskendale—seemed to open the rest of the infection. That siege lasted months, and for a king used to being feared, being helpless while his bannermen dithered or schemed left a mark. He was supposed to be the centre of power, and instead he spent long nights imagining how close everyone had come to grabbing the crown. After Duskendale the little things started to look like treason to him: nobles who hesitated to rally troops, Hands who whispered behind closed doors, and the way Tywin Lannister grew colder and more distant in court. Then there were the noises from the tourney circuit and the court—the way Rhaegar’s actions at Harrenhal and his odd, distant bearing fed gossip about kingship and prophecy. When Brandon Stark rode to King’s Landing and the whole affair ended with Rickard and Brandon’s deaths, Aerys’ reaction wasn’t just cruelty, it was a king who’d convinced himself betrayal lurked in every face. Once paranoia set in he began to test loyalty in brutal ways: public insults, dismissals, secret punishments, and leaning on pyromancers. That mixture of personal humiliation (Duskendale), perceived slights from great lords (the coolness of houses like Lannister and the Starks’ defiance), and ominous rumours about his own family and heirs pushed him from distrust into outright mania. I still get chills thinking how quickly a ruler can go from commanding an army to fearing even those who kneel to him.

What Were Aerys Ii'S Final Words Before His Death?

3 Answers2025-08-29 12:21:14
I still get a chill thinking about that moment in the story — the Mad King's last orders are basically the clearest evidence of how far gone he was. When Jaime tells the tale in the books, the king's final words are him shrieking about fire: he kept screaming something along the lines of "Burn them all!" as he ordered his pyromancers to light the caches under King's Landing. Jaime says Aerys wanted the city destroyed rather than let Robert take it, and those frantic commands to ignite the wildfire are what pushed Jaime to act. Reading Jaime's recollection in 'A Game of Thrones' (and later echoes in the TV version) left me torn; on one hand it’s horrific to imagine a ruler ordering wholesale slaughter, on the other hand Jaime’s choice to kill his king haunts him as a betrayal of his vows. The phrase "burn them all" becomes shorthand for Aerys' obsession — he wasn't just mad in a private way, he was willing to annihilate thousands to stoke vengeance or paranoia. Of course, we're getting the event through Jaime's lens, and memories can be self-serving or distorted. Still, whether word-for-word or as a paraphrase, the gist is the same: Aerys' last coherent speech was a command to incinerate his own people, which is as terrible and dramatic an ending as any tragic ruler could have.

What Theories Explain Aerys Ii'S Sudden Paranoia?

3 Answers2025-08-29 01:18:26
I’ve always been fascinated by how quickly kings can unravel, and Aerys II is one of those cases that makes my brain race with possibilities. On the surface there’s the old, almost folkloric explanation: the Targaryen line carries a genetic predisposition toward mental instability because of centuries of keeping the bloodline pure. That’s the easy storytelling shorthand in 'A Game of Thrones' and 'Fire & Blood'—it explains why cousins and siblings intermarried and why lords later whisper about “the black blood.” To me this genetic theory fits because Martin sprinkles hints of family madness throughout Targaryen history, but it doesn’t feel sufficient on its own. Another layer I always chew on is trauma. Aerys got kidnapped in Duskendale, humiliated and possibly tortured, and came back a different man. Trauma like that can flip a ruler’s psychology overnight—paranoia can be rational when your bannermen are scheming. Add years of being surrounded by sycophants and people who feed his worst fears (not to mention the pyromancers and their temptations), and you get an echo chamber where small slights become treason. The burning obsession—both literal and symbolic—feels like someone latching onto a single, destructive answer to every problem. I also suspect a political logic: by the time rebellion is brewing, Aerys had real reasons to fear. He’d been betrayed by nobles before, and power politics make even sane men cruel and suspicious. Lastly, I can’t ignore the role of narrative—histories written after the fact, especially by the winners, amplify the “mad king” myth. I keep coming back to those chapters in 'Fire & Blood' and thinking: there’s madness, yes, but there’s also a messy cocktail of genetics, trauma, paranoia, cynicism, and some very bad counsel. When I curl up with those books I notice details that make me sympathize a little, even as I shudder at what he did.

How Did Aerys Ii'S Rule Impact House Targaryen Succession?

3 Answers2025-08-29 01:33:15
The Mad King did more to unravel House Targaryen than any enemy army ever could. I’ve always been drawn to the messy politics in 'A Song of Ice and Fire', and Aerys II’s reign is a masterclass in how personal madness becomes institutional collapse. He started as a king with fragile legitimacy—Targaryen dragons and centuries of rule—but his paranoia, cruel punishments, and alienation of the great houses stripped that legitimacy away. The executions of Rickard and Brandon Stark, the cruel mockery of his council, and the whispered plots he imagined made every lord around him see the crown as dangerous rather than sacred. What really tipped the balance was how his behavior interacted with succession. Rhaegar was a clear heir, but Rhaegar’s death at the Trident left a vacuum that Aerys couldn’t fill because he’d already burned through the goodwill of his barons. Instead of restoring confidence, Aerys’s orders—like the plan to burn King’s Landing with wildfire—proved he trusted fire more than counsel. Jaime’s murder of Aerys was both the final break of royal continuity and the signal that bloodlines alone couldn’t guarantee the throne. Practically, that meant surviving Targaryens—Viserys and Daenerys—were reduced to claimants in exile, with sparse support and a tarnished dynasty name. Generations later, you can still see the echo: houses remembered the Mad King more than any peaceful tradition, and that memory shaped who would back a claimant. It’s tragic, but also a reminder in fiction and in history that succession is as much about legitimacy and institutions as it is about birthright. I always come away from that era thinking how fragile authority becomes when rulers lose the trust of their people.
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