3 คำตอบ2025-09-03 17:59:01
Okay, let's dive into this the way I talk about my favorite manga fights: loud, a little messy, and with lots of feeling. When people ask who the main movers of the action are in the 'Iliad', my mind immediately jumps to Achilles and Hector — they’re the two poles of the whole drama. Achilles is the unstoppable warrior whose anger (menis) drives the narrative; his withdrawal from battle after a quarrel with Agamemnon and the later death of Patroclus are the emotional heartbeats of the poem. Hector, on the other side, carries Troy on his shoulders with a fierce sense of duty and family; his confrontation with Achilles is tragic and inevitable in a way that still gives me chills every time I read it.
Beyond those two, the epic is packed with other brilliant characters who feel like stand-in protagonists in their own mini-arcs. Odysseus and Diomedes are clever and gritty, Ajax is the mountain of a warrior whose pride and strength are central, and Agamemnon represents leadership and its flaws. On the Trojan side, Aeneas is the survivor with destiny stitched into him, and smaller but unforgettable figures like Sarpedon and Glaucus add sorrow and color. Then there’s Patroclus — his friendship with Achilles flips the switch on the whole story. I love how the gods meddle, turning personal grudges into cosmic theater. If you want to get into the 'Iliad' without drowning in footnotes, focus on the human cores: rage, honor, friendship, and fate. It’s brutal and beautiful, and it keeps pulling me back every few years.
4 คำตอบ2025-09-03 21:33:20
I still get a little thrill reading how capricious and crucial the divine cast is in 'Iliad'. The gods are not just backstage narrators — they grab spears, don disguises, and shove heroes around like chess pieces. When Athena slips into a hero's ear or Apollo breathes protection into a Trojan, those moments rewrite the stakes of a fight: strength can be bolstered, wounds can be worsened, and pride can be inflamed. For me that makes the battlefield feel alive, a place where fate and favor tangle.
What fascinates me most is the way the gods reveal human weakness and greatness at once. Achilles’ rage, Hector’s loyalty, Agamemnon’s stubbornness — all gain texture because the gods mirror, magnify, or contradict them. Sometimes a god punishes hubris; other times a god disguises themselves and offers temptation. That interplay keeps the narrative honest: heroes can be glorious, yet their glory is constantly negotiated with forces beyond their control. It leaves me thinking about the balance between choice and destiny, and how very human those ancient heroes still are.
4 คำตอบ2025-09-03 02:42:03
Wow, when I dive into 'The Iliad' I get pulled right into the blood-and-glory stuff — and that means mourning a handful of big-name deaths that actually happen during the poem.
The clearest one is Patroclus: he goes out in Achilles' armor and fights bravely, and Homer shows him being wounded by Euphorbus first and then struck down by Hector, who deals the fatal blow (Book 16). Right in that same furious day Patroclus kills Sarpedon, the Lycian son of Zeus — that body becomes a major divine moment because Zeus eventually lets Apollo or the gods arrange its rescue. Earlier in the poem, during the sneaky Doloneia (Book 10), Diomedes and Odysseus sneak into the Trojan camp and kill Rhesus. Achilles is the lethal machine in the back half of the epic: he kills Asteropaeus (a Paeonian leader) and finally slays Hector in Book 22, then drags Hector's corpse around Patroclus' funeral pyre. Beyond those named figures there are dozens of lesser heroes — many Trojans and Achaeans get killed offstage or in quick catalogue — but those I mentioned are the principal, named fatalities you really feel in Homer. I always find the way Homer stages who lands the killing blow (and how gods intervene) is what gives each death emotional weight, so I end up rereading those scenes more often than the fights themselves.
4 คำตอบ2025-09-03 01:46:27
Walking into 'The Iliad' is like stepping into a crowded hall of small, stubborn lights—each hero glowing for a reason. For me, Hector's farewell to Andromache in Book 6 is pure virtue in miniature: duty, love, and the painful clarity of a man who knows what the city needs more than his own comfort. That scene shows courage wrapped in tenderness; Hector isn't a one-note warrior, he's a citizen and a father, and his human side makes his bravery feel earned.
Patroclus' arc in Book 16 and Achilles' breakdown after his death reveal another virtue: loyalty and the tragic cost of honor. Patroclus goes into battle for his friend and for the idea of right, and Achilles responds with a grief that tears down pride and opens his compassion. Then there’s Priam’s silent courage in Book 24 when he walks into enemy camp to beg for his son's body—it's humility and piety, and that exchange with Achilles is one of the purest moments of empathy in the epic. Reading these passages aloud has always made me quieter afterward, like I need to sit with their choices for a while.
5 คำตอบ2025-07-31 12:50:07
As someone who loves diving into epic tales, 'The Iliad' is a masterpiece that never fails to captivate me. The main heroes are legendary figures, each with their own strengths and flaws. Achilles is the central figure, a nearly invincible warrior whose rage drives much of the story. His conflict with Agamemnon, the leader of the Greek forces, sets the stage for the epic. Then there's Hector, the noble prince of Troy, who fights valiantly to defend his city and family. His humanity and courage make him one of the most relatable characters.
Other key heroes include Odysseus, known for his cunning and intelligence, and Patroclus, Achilles' close companion whose death fuels Achilles' return to battle. On the Trojan side, Paris, whose abduction of Helen sparked the war, is a complex figure—more of a lover than a fighter. The interplay between these characters creates a rich tapestry of heroism, honor, and tragedy that has resonated for centuries. The way Homer portrays their struggles and sacrifices is what makes 'The Iliad' timeless.
2 คำตอบ2025-07-03 09:34:37
Aeneas is one of those characters in 'The Iliad' who doesn’t get the spotlight as much as Achilles or Hector, but his presence is like a quiet storm brewing in the background. What makes him stand out is his destiny—unlike the other heroes who are doomed to fall, Aeneas is marked by the gods to survive and found Rome. That alone gives him a unique weight in the story. Homer treats him with this weird mix of reverence and distance, like he’s too important to kill off but not central enough to the Trojan War’s immediate drama. It’s fascinating how he’s both a warrior and a symbol of future glory.
His fights are brutal, but there’s always this sense of divine protection hovering over him. Poseidon saves him from Achilles, not out of love, but because he’s fated for something greater. That moment says so much—Aeneas isn’t just another soldier; he’s a chess piece in the gods’ long game. Compared to Hector’s tragic heroism or Achilles’ rage, Aeneas feels like a different kind of epic figure: one who carries the weight of legacy rather than personal glory. His importance isn’t in his deeds in 'The Iliad' but in what he represents beyond it.
4 คำตอบ2025-09-03 08:47:53
Alright, here's my take on ranking the fighters in 'the iliad' by bravery and skill — I’m thinking in terms of pure combat prowess, courage under fire, leadership, and a little bit of divine influence.
Top for me is Achilles: nobody else combines speed, single-combat dominance, and a kind of fatal resolve. His armor, his rage, and his almost superhuman kills make him the apex of skill and terrifying bravery. Next I'd put Hector — more balanced: not as flashy as Achilles, but steadier, braver in the civic sense (defending Troy), and tactically competent as a leader of men.
After those two come Ajax and Diomedes, but for different reasons. Ajax is the immovable wall, the best close-quarters defender: raw physical skill and endurance. Diomedes is the smartest fighter of all, combining bravery with tactical daring (he wounds gods and men). Odysseus ranks high for cunning and battlefield improvisation rather than raw strength. Patroclus deserves a special mention: his bravery is heartbreaking and transformative, but he lacks Achilles’ unmatched edge. Lesser but notable are Aeneas and Sarpedon for noble leadership and courage. Rankings shift a bit depending if you value individual duels, command skill, or moral courage, but that’s how I’d slice it in the world of 'the iliad'.
4 คำตอบ2025-09-03 11:24:55
I've spent years skimming old translations and falling asleep over different introductions, and what always fascinates me is how a translator's taste reshapes who counts as a 'hero' in the story. In some renderings Achilles is the incandescent, tragic superstar: his rage is framed as noble, inevitable, almost cosmic. That comes through when translators choose stately, elevated diction and hang long lines on his speech, giving him an aura of inevitability.
Flip to a version that uses blunt, modern language and the same scenes make Achilles seem petulant, narcissistic, even monstrous. Small choices—whether a Greek verb becomes 'slay,' 'kill,' or 'put to death'—change how violent or dignified someone appears. Epithets matter too: calling someone 'swift-footed' versus 'fleet of foot' or simply 'fast' nudges readers toward admiration or casual distance.
I also notice how women and secondary men shift with translation. A terse line about Briseis can render her a possession; an expanded reading gives her interiority and, suddenly, Achilles' actions look possessive and cruel instead of heroic. So every translation is almost a different portrait gallery: same faces, different lighting, and sometimes a completely different mood that lingers after you close the book.