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Why Did Harry Potter Goblin Griphook Betray Harry And Dumbledore?

2025-08-29 19:07:10 228

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Ava

2025-08-30 19:52:53

I found myself sympathizing with Griphook more on my third read, oddly enough. At first the break-in reads like a simple plot twist: the goblin helps, then bolts with the prize. But when you step back and think about goblin-wizard history — the crafting pride, the repeated slights — Griphook’s choice becomes almost inevitable. He wasn’t necessarily cruel; he was determined. He negotiated payment (the sword), and when the time came he claimed it under his people’s customs. That doesn’t excuse the danger he put Harry, Ron, and Hermione in, but it frames his action as reclaiming rather than mere theft.

Also, Griphook’s behavior highlights how Dumbledore’s and Harry’s assumptions about alliances and justice were human-centered. The scene pushes the narrative into moral ambiguity: heroes can be wrong about allies, and those we call betrayers can be acting from a different but internally consistent code. I like that complexity; it makes the book feel less like a fairy tale and more like history.

Flynn

2025-08-31 08:12:27

I get why people call Griphook a traitor, but I also think he was playing by a different rulebook. In my head I picture Griphook as someone who’s tired of being on the short end of wizard history — families of goblin-crafted treasure have watched those items be displayed and treasured by wizards for ages. Goblins, in the books, make a strong point that when they make something, they don’t see it being owned forever by a buyer; it’s more complicated than a sale. So when Dumbledore and Harry needed help getting into Bellatrix’s vault, Griphook saw the perfect moment to get back a symbol: the sword of Gryffindor.

He negotiated; they promised; and when the opportunity came, he took it. That feels like betrayal only if you assume human ideas of ownership are universal. I also think there’s personal spite in him — decades of small humiliations can turn into a single dramatic act. Reading it now, I don’t cheer for him, but I understand the logic behind his choice.

Stella

2025-09-02 11:41:39

Griphook’s seeming betrayal always felt messy to me — like watching two cultures speak past each other until something valuable disappears. When I reread 'Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows' I kept thinking less about villainy and more about miscommunication. Griphook had a deep, historical grudge: goblins believe items they forge remain tied to them, even if sold. To him, the sword of Gryffindor wasn’t just a pretty trophy a wizard could keep; it was a goblin-made object wrongly held by wizards for generations.

On top of that, there was a literal deal on the table. He agreed to help break into Gringotts because he wanted the sword as payment — not because he wanted to betray Harry personally, but because he saw a chance to reclaim what his people considered theirs. From Harry and Dumbledore’s perspective it looked like treachery; from Griphook’s it was restitution. I always end up sympathizing with both sides: Harry’s sense of loss and betrayal, and Griphook’s stubborn belief in his people’s rights. It’s the kind of moral grey I love in stories, where right and wrong change depending on whose history you’re reading.

Violet

2025-09-02 13:40:32

If I had to sum up why Griphook turned on Harry and Dumbledore in one thought, it’s this: conflicting ownership cultures. Goblins view craftsmanship as creating a bond of ownership that humans don’t accept. I’ve always pictured Griphook as someone who’d been quietly simmering over goblin-made treasures sitting in wizard vaults for centuries. He agreed to help because he wanted the sword as payment; he used the mission to actually reclaim it. To Harry it was betrayal; to Griphook it was justice. That moral tension is what makes the whole Gringotts episode feel lived-in and real to me.

Vivian

2025-09-04 14:30:55

Honestly, I used to be annoyed by Griphook, then I read about goblin customs and felt my anger soften. He wasn’t just greedy — he was making a point. Goblins in 'Deathly Hallows' make it clear they see ownership differently: the ones who craft an object have a claim that doesn’t vanish just because a wizard paid for it. Griphook wanted the sword as a symbol of that claim and saw the Gringotts job as a way to get it back.

There’s also a whiff of personal grudge and opportunism: he’d been overlooked and underestimated for years, and the chance to escape with a famous artefact was likely irresistible. So yes, from Harry’s seat it’s betrayal. From Griphook’s, it’s restitution and a small victory for his people — complicated, and oddly satisfying to think about next time I reread the scene.

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